SotP vs Kings @ 80

I want you to show concrete examples of where you need a 30 second interupt to survive when a 1 minute one won't do. As a bonus you could also include one that can't be cced.

3 talent points is a lot to pay for something that is unreliable, not needed in raids and has a very small chance of ever being needed for a 5 man.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

dont interrupt! take the damage, let the healer heal and give you moar mana.

find a reliable healbot, push them to their limits, and if you go too far, you've got a shield wall now!
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I must admit I am considering a 0/56/15 spec...

SOTP seems a pretty Lacklustre 5 points, whilst I wouldn't go for gear with crit on it getting (6+3+5) from Talents doesn't seem that bad to me.

Is SOTP better than a situationally useful 8% Crit (5% if u have a ret Paladin)

Particularly... what if u have a Solid Weapon & a truck load of BV ?
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Sotp still wins from a tps perspective. What many people seem to be forgetting is that SotP affects both the seals and judgements. Now crit is better for off dps or off healing. Both choices are acceptable as long as you are doing it for the right reasons.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

Psiven ran the numbers. Some thing like a 2.8% increase for 5% crit and 3.X % for SotP.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

I'll have a look at that thread... Still not convinced tbh..

I would have thought that the scaling potential of

Str/BV would make an additional (5%/8%) crit start to look a lot more attractive

as melee/Hotr/Shor get better doesn't Sotp just get worse ?

I'd imagine most of our other abilites are scaling a lot better than SOV/JOV
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Don't rely on those numbers. They are changing with your gear, spec, tank rotation and enemy alot.
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Ok doing rough calcs only it does appear that Sotp beats out 5% crit for TPS, but probably not DPS..... I'd guess this may change when we start to get hold of gear that we haven't seen yet.

I'm quite surprised by that...still I do like seeing crits... hmmm not sure what to do now

/sigh
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