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The I want to tank giant bosses spec

Worldie
Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:02 am
Point is that you'll hardly get the ret paladin in tanking group.
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Worldie
Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:40 am
Actually i have yet to find a holy paladin willing to give up Divine Illumination. Spamming max ranked Holy Light isn't exactly mana efficient
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Jellypop
Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:36 pm
most our my guild's holy pallies are alchemist, with the stone, mana really shouldn't be a problem

i'm probably gonna try and talk one into that spec, and see how that goes.

AD probably isn't drop-able until SW
AS probably shouldn't be dropped, cause it's always fun to throw shields.
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2ndNin
Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:37 am
Ardent defender imo isn't worth giving up in t4-MH at least. Number of times an ohshit has been prevented by that little ping... priceless (well 25x5g normally at least). Its not a talent you can say "oh wow look at that its great", because thats its nature, its that passive ohshit capability, the thing that kicks in when all else is going bad and it might just save you. Its not going to ever replace healers keeping you at full health, but that time it pings it often just stopped a wipe.
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Extremity
Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:29 am
i guess it just comes down to me trusting my healers enough to give my dps a little more room to play
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2ndNin
Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:59 am
See first rule I learned was don't expect healers to be perfect, thats what ironshields, nightmare seeds, and avoidance trinket cooldowns are for, because sometimes even the best healers don't hit it 100% right, and the 1% they might not is the 1% ardent defender might save you. A good healer won't berate you for blowing an item to save yourself, even if it turns out to be unneeded, its not a lack of trust but a trust with the raid, you do everything you can to stay alive, they do everything they can to keep you alive.

Maybe its the wrong way to look at it, and if I hit T6 content properly I might have to reconsider my views, but in T4-5 that buffer ardent defender gave me even if it was on the occasional Maggie cleaved, hit me, the roof fell in and the healers were on the group for some reason moment leaving me on 12 health, LoH, or Nightmare + Pot put me safe enough for the healers to handle it again. At the moment I don't see trading it as a worthwhile thing since it does proc a lot (seen it 8 times in 1 wave in hyjal, when all that was keeping me standing were flash of lights from 3 paladins - to explain we normally don't bother with cc, other tanks grab banshees, or that, then we just consecrate and aoe everything to death in the entrance way, seems to work well tbh but a few scary moments when the healers realise I just moved oor). Basically if I go down on waves like that its a wipe, so better to waste 5 talent points for the chance of survival imo.
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Worldie
Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:39 am
Actually you don't use Ironshields because "healers might not be on toes". You use ironshields cause if you don't you die (try out brutallus without em :\ )

However, if AD "procs a lot", there's something wrong going on with your healers.
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Aloette
Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:44 am
1. shield spec scales with gear
2. imp devotion aura does not scale with gear
3. holy paladins have improved devotion aura
4. improved devotion is not needed, and not worth 5 points as protection
5.???
6. why did you start a thread about tanking "big bosses", and then start talking about hyjal trash and pick up garbage talents such as stoicism.
7.???
8. for trash shield spec is something you will want.
9. even on bosses it is good.
10. at 102.4% avoidance every attack is a block atleast. 350 each block over the course of a fight adds up to quite a bit. healers will like you.
11. I don't know why i wrote this post like this.
12. profit.