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Need Ideas for a spec

holysoldier
Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:06 am

Need Ideas for a spec

i'm in a kara group that will consist of 3 healers(2 holy pallies, holy priest) 1 main tank, warrior, and 2 offtank's(myself and a druid) and then 4 dps. the problem i'm seeing is the druid never gets out of bear form so i'm mainly just off tank for dancers and other aoe packs, then i do what dps i can in my gear and for bosses i heal. except on moroes i off tanked mores while the bear tanked the kill targert for the adds. i'm currently in a version of the baelor special, because the priest was shadow instead of holy so i healed more. now that she has gone back to holy i feel like i'm going to be dead weight and a gimmick tank. i was thinking of doing a ret spec with tank points for aoe mobs. this what i got so far.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZV0xGxZEf0t0buiI0z
i didn't get fanaticism cause i don't think my ret gear is that good that i would pull aggro. i was hoping imp ret aura will help with producing threat on multiple adds since i won't have HS. i'm guessing the aoe will have to start a little later with this spec then a normal tankadin spec with HS.

my question is will this spec work to make me more valuable then a aoe tank for trash pulls but still be able to do the aoe trash? will i be able to do decent dps? and i was thinking that i would probably be able to tank the moroes add with this spec as long as the dps kills them fast enough?
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Nicos
Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:08 am
Two off tanks? I dont think I've ever seen that much...

Go Ret and bring the DPS. 4 DPS will not be enough to get you past Curator. Let the Bear do all the off tanking.
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Snake-Aes
Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:11 am
Literally, paladins are bad offtanks. Bears are the ideal offtanks. Remind them that bears do not depend on the mob to generate awesome threat, while paladins only tank if they're actually being hit. It'll work very better if you main tank everything, including that stupid moroes.
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holysoldier
Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:58 pm
yes 2 off tanks:( our raid leader is a little strange, i offered to go holy spec because when i am i have way more healing then the 2 holy pallies and would be better then the shadow priest healing, but he really liked me aoe tanking the 10 or less aoe packs. from moroes to maiden the warrior got on his mage and i MT'd until maiden where i healed and the druid tanked. i agree our group make up is very odd and not great, but i'm running with another guild so i don't want to step on any toes. we got smoked by curator.

so i'm going to ask tonight if ret would be fine, if you guys think i can still do the aoe pulls fine and keep the moroes adds on me.

also i have to dps sets, 1 for spell damage and 1 atk power. with the spell damage i have about 550 spell damage but use a sword and board, my atk power set has about 1k atk power with might. haven't played ret in some time and when i did i didn't understand the game like i do. what should i be looking for.
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holysoldier
Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:04 pm
hmm...that might work, i tinkered with it just slightly and moved out of ret aura for full 5/5 deflection, thinking that if i'm aoe'ing for that pull one of the pally healers can put on ret and i can still have sanctity up for more threat. with defleciton i would still be uncrushable, raid buffed, and sancity aura would, i think, compensate for the threat lossed from 1h spec. i think this might work. do you think i would be able to tank 5-mans with this? i would think so, just missing out on AS:( but i can work around that. thanks for the help.
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Igrado
Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:10 am
Paladins can OT reasonably, though Druid's yes are probably better at it. There is no need for 2 OTs in Kara for almost all groups. You should discuss with your RL/GM what role they expect you to fulfill the majority of the time and then spec for it. Kindly express your concerns over the group being ill-designed and ask how you and your team can work together to optimize performance. If you want to tank, don't push to be the MT, but just point out how a 3man tanking team in Kara is superfluous.

In the group I run with the Warrior and I do most of the tanking, but we have the druid take over for the mobs that disarm, otherwise he's in cat. That is the setup I would recommend for your group, but if you want to go Ret, discuss it with ur GM and see they are good for it. 3 tanks is doable sure, but kinda imbalanced and will, at best, make your runs longer from lack of DPS.
Kintagno
Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:15 pm
Also, you're spec atm seems like an odd mix of holy/prot that forces you to miss out on key elements of both. I agree with the above posters in that the few AoE pulls in Kara do not merit you being some wierd half-spec. Overall, I would say choose holy or ret and stick to that depending on what that priest ends up doing (shadow priests are AWESOME for raids though so I would push for you being holy Smile )
Durkon(Anvilmar)
Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:25 am

Holy spec AoE

Get deep into prot tree enough to get righteous fury 3 points some toughness
few other bits. Then as long as the healers are prepared swap into tank gear pop your concentration pull a group drop full rank concecration tell the raid to wait afew ticks before AoE or just pull single targets out.
This sort of build is good for these AoE pulls but it won't allow you to effectively tank other raid content. you will be a healer with a useful trick during afew pulls.
It's hard for a pally to find any place in Kara without being a healer because of the difficulty of obtaining uncrushable but it's also hard to step out of the role of healing into Tanking the current trouble I'm facing.
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Lvl 70 Paladin
Anvilmar
holysoldier
Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:01 pm
thanks for all the replies. yes my spec is a little goofy at the moment that is because we were running kara with 1 mt 2 off tanks 2 healers and then a shadow priest or myself would switch back and forth on healing roles for bosses so i need to get to illumination to give me a little staying power. i will respec as soon as i talk to my RL. i do hate being a gimmick tank though. i wish i was either healer or tank, i feel useless atm.
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