Do you drink bottled water?

I'm not a fan of the government restricting the delivery methods of the water I drink. Fortunately, I live in an area that has good water so I drink most of my water from my fridge which has a filter in it. But when I'm on the go I'll grab a bottle of water to drink for convenience sake.

However, there are plenty of people that don't have access to quality tap water and why would we want to restrict access to their options for cleaner water? I mean should we also ban any kind of home filtration system because it's wasted materials and energy when you can just get tap? I prefer to have my options in case my water isn't safe. http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/findings.php

Nikachelle wrote:

fafhrd wrote:waterloo, ontario

A mere hour away from moi.

in fact, I'm behind you right now.

fafhrd wrote:

Nikachelle wrote:

fafhrd wrote:waterloo, ontario

A mere hour away from moi.

in fact, I'm behind you right now.

That was a pretty quick hour.

all realities, all dimensions etc etc

fafhrd wrote:all realities, all dimensions etc etc

I think I'd pee my pants if Prince Malchezaar appeared behind me unexpectedly.

Nikachelle wrote:

fafhrd wrote:all realities, all dimensions etc etc

I think I'd pee my pants if Prince Malchezaar appeared behind me unexpectedly.

He does that to me all the time. Keeps bugging me if I have some spackle or spare materials. Says that since no one hardly visits anymore, he's had quite a bit of time to get the ol' tower some overdue maintenance. One night he did it to me because he was drunk and depressed. Said something about being taken down by like 4 people one night instead of 10. Like it was some insult or something. I dunno. That or he had just laid a deuce on my carpet (also a strong possibility), which I figured would have been his way since I haven't ever seen a bathroom in Kara.

That rug really tied the room together

YoYoMa wrote:I'm not a fan of the government restricting the delivery methods of the water I drink. Fortunately, I live in an area that has good water so I drink most of my water from my fridge which has a filter in it. But when I'm on the go I'll grab a bottle of water to drink for convenience sake.

However, there are plenty of people that don't have access to quality tap water and why would we want to restrict access to their options for cleaner water? I mean should we also ban any kind of home filtration system because it's wasted materials and energy when you can just get tap? I prefer to have my options in case my water isn't safe. http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/findings.php

I have no issues with citizens forming movements to change behavior and encourage what they see as a better choice. Education campaigns, boycotts, directed marketing, and etc are all noble efforts to change a perceived injustice or bad choice.

LIMITING CHOICE of (preivously) free peoples by their government is not a noble act. Educating, informing, inspiring free peoples to make a choice of their own will IS a noble act.

So perhaps the Federal Gov't here needs to stop wasting money on drug enforcement and simply tell people that drugs r bad mmmkay?

Then let them make their own choice.

Isetnefret wrote:So perhaps the Federal Gov't here needs to stop wasting money on drug enforcement and simply tell people that drugs r bad mmmkay?

Then let them make their own choice.

That is indeed my logic taken to one extreme. Maybe we shouldn't punish murderers, thieves or child molesters as well. Sound good to you?


The real question at hand is how much power do we give our government. Basic services, law enforcement, etc are usually universally welcome, but don't forget the freedoms you give up in order to have access to those services. Any service provided by a government will take away some personal freedom.

Personally,I think illegal drugs are illegal for a reason. And bottled water should be a choice. In my mind there's a large difference between those 2 policies.

Indeed, one impacts the person using it, while the other impacts the environment that we all share.


The more important point is, the government doesn't just arbitrarily make laws with no recourse by citizens.

If we don't want a bottled water ban, it WON'T stand.

If we didn't want drugs to be illegal, they wouldn't be.


I think you mistook my drug comment as hyperbole when it is indeed not.

Isetnefret wrote:Indeed, one impacts the person using it, while the other impacts the environment that we all share.

illegal drugs do so much more damage than just health of the isolated user. extremely dangerous and addictive substances affect family and community. the damage done is much more substantial and immediate than a plastic bottle. there is a huge impact difference to community and individual alike.

but then again, maybe you take carbon emissions as a more serious harm to a community than a family broken apart by addiction. if that's your values base, then you would see a ban on plastic bottles as more logical than a ban on illegal drugs. personally, that's not my values base. according to my values base, illegal drugs have a much larger societal impact than than carbon emissions. governmental restrictions on one make complete sense, while governmental restrictions on the other are heavy handed and agenda driven.

I think you mistook my drug comment as hyperbole when it is indeed not.

I believe I understood your reply perfectly.

4 Pages and no one has mentioned grape drink yet?

If you believe this:

LIMITING CHOICE of (preivously) free peoples by their government is not a noble act. Educating, informing, inspiring free peoples to make a choice of their own will IS a noble act.

Then this:

So perhaps the Federal Gov't here needs to stop wasting money on drug enforcement and simply tell people that drugs r bad mmmkay?

Then let them make their own choice.

..sounds entirely logical.

However, you assumed that I agreed with that, while completely ignoring:

my actual views wrote:The more important point is, the government doesn't just arbitrarily make laws with no recourse by citizens.

If we don't want a bottled water ban, it WON'T stand.

If we didn't want drugs to be illegal, they wouldn't be.

All the while making assumptions about what I believe and what my values are.

Isetnefret wrote:If you believe this:

LIMITING CHOICE of (preivously) free peoples by their government is not a noble act. Educating, informing, inspiring free peoples to make a choice of their own will IS a noble act.

Then this:

So perhaps the Federal Gov't here needs to stop wasting money on drug enforcement and simply tell people that drugs r bad mmmkay?

Then let them make their own choice.

..sounds entirely logical.

Except that saying this argument is logical tells me something about your values. Now, if you're being sarcastic, I obviously can't read pure emotion into an otherwise serious statement. Saying a government should do something doesn't mean I think it's a "noble" act. Necessary =/= noble. Crime enforcement/basic defense/basic services = necessary evils. Removing government intrusion in any of those cases would make people more free, but less secure. Regulating bottled water does very very little to secure a society, and does much to oppress it. Thus I find it wrong. On the flip side, regulating illegal drugs does very much to secure a society, so while still an infringement on personal freedom, it's a necessary one.

But by skipping over noble and necessary, and missing those points, I can make assumptions about your values base, since I've seen your thinking process.

However, you assumed that I agreed with that, while completely ignoring:

my actual views wrote:The more important point is, the government doesn't just arbitrarily make laws with no recourse by citizens.

If we don't want a bottled water ban, it WON'T stand.

If we didn't want drugs to be illegal, they wouldn't be.

All the while making assumptions about what I believe and what my values are.

An out of control government most definitely will make laws with no (immediate or effective) recourse by the citizens. And to deter them from personally educating or becoming involved in the process, the same will tell the people that the changes are in their best interest, and not to worry. A benevolent dictator (regime) is one of the most dangerous ones to personal freedom.