LGBT rights discussion

As this thread has grown from a PYF tangent, I suppose a slightly better intro for anyone new to it would be nice.

The title pretty much says it all, but here we be discussing LGBT topics. If you have anything to contribute, feel free, but please don't resort to bashing (keep it civil!)





Original post: In the interest of attempting to pull this discussion out of the frustrations thread (because I really hadn't intended for it to spiral out like that... was just posting an article I had read and was frustrated with...)

...lol

Skye1013 wrote:In the interest of attempting to pull this discussion out of the frustrations thread (because I really hadn't intended for it to spiral out like that... was just posting an article I had read and was frustrated with...)

A response from Chipotle:

So much win!

Meanwhile:

Fast food chain Chick-Fil-A has been accused of being anti-gay for supporting organizations such as Focus on the Family, which oppose gay marriage.

Company president Dan Cathy said this week that his company is “guilty as charged.”

In an interview with the Baptist Press, Cathy said Chick-Fil-A is “very much supportive of the family - the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.”

Oh...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1116841

Skye1013 wrote:
A response from Chipotle:

Is this for real? Cuz... L.O.L.

Trying to find out if that's a legit pic/quote, and ran across this: http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2011/06 ... sexuality/

It actually expresses a lot of my current thought process with how to "deal" with the Chick-fil-A thing. Do I boycott them or ignore their policy and continue eating delicious chicken...

Like the article says, all the money you spend there could potentially be used as fuel against things you actively support. Seems kind of counter-productive to be pro gay rights, but still buy your meals at a hate-mongering fast food joint.

Plus, church's chicken sandwhich is as good as chick fil a's. And the dont seem to be anti gay rights, in spite of their name

Klaudandus wrote:Plus, church's chicken sandwhich is as good as chick fil a's. And the dont seem to be anti gay rights, in spite of their name

LOL - as a sidenote, Toronto's gay village resides on Church Street. The irony never ceases to amuse me.

It's not about the chicken so much as the waffle fries and lemonade. And at the moment, I don't even have the option to buy their food, so it's kind of moot. Here's hoping they change their views, but for now I'll just have to savor the memories.

Wtf? I hate their fries. >:(

In order of fry deliciousness:

Arby's (though curly fries are really their own beast, so may not be fair for this list)
Chick-fil-A
Wendy's (might be biased from having worked there allowing me to get them fresh)
Whataburger
McD's
BK

Everything below Chick-fil-A has to have their fries eaten immediately, because the colder they get, the shittier they taste. Curly fries are still ok at room temp.

Skye1013 wrote:In order of fry deliciousness:

Arby's (though curly fries are really their own beast, so may not be fair for this list)
Chick-fil-A
Wendy's (might be biased from having worked there allowing me to get them fresh)
Whataburger
McD's
BK

Everything below Chick-fil-A has to have their fries eaten immediately, because the colder they get, the shittier they taste. Curly fries are still ok at room temp.

i love how this is the LGBT discussion thread and here we are discussing fries

anyway
for fresh fries -
McD's with a chocolate frosty to dip them in from Wendy's
but they have to be hot still
cold, fuck that

That list is a lie if it doesnt include DQ's fries -- also, Whataburger should be higher on the list, considering how tasty their ketchup is.

No one standing up for Jack in the crack fries?

I love their curly fries, (Side note, their mozzarella sticks are amazing.)

Back to the topic, I'm getting tired of hearing about LBGT's lately, everyone seems to be against them or somehow offended, and I'm starting to get tired of having to explain to them that they're stupid for wanting to obstruct someone's happiness just because they're different.
Or my favorite, god says it's evil.

that one just gets me on an anti-religion rant though.

I hope LBGT's get the rights they deserve soon.

This sounds like good news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18919556

It's funny that the gay rights movement is only about 40 years old, but they expect change already. Obama coming out in politician-support of them helped a lot, but they have to realize that they're fighting a long battle. Generations of women fought for the equal rights movement and it finally happened for them after 100-some years (I think 110 years?). Generations of blacks fought for the civil rights movement before it finally happened, some 130 years later.

40 years is nothing compared to that. I support equal rights, but I also advocate patience. Let people get accustomed to the idea and be patient. People don't change overnight - acceptance is a generational thing.

Parts of Switzerland did not allow women to vote until 1990.

Some parts of the world are more welcoming of change (progressive?) than others.

bldavis wrote:i love how this is the LGBT discussion thread and here we are discussing fries

Getting off topic in the AA? Say it ain't so...

@Klaud: I agree about the ketchup, but I was focusing solely on fries. Condiments alter the list a bit. And by themself, I don't particularly care for DQ fries. With gravy? Heck yeah.

Fivelives wrote:It's funny that the gay rights movement is only about 40 years old, but they expect change already. Obama coming out in politician-support of them helped a lot, but they have to realize that they're fighting a long battle. Generations of women fought for the equal rights movement and it finally happened for them after 100-some years (I think 110 years?). Generations of blacks fought for the civil rights movement before it finally happened, some 130 years later.

40 years is nothing compared to that. I support equal rights, but I also advocate patience. Let people get accustomed to the idea and be patient. People don't change overnight - acceptance is a generational thing.

You're saying that people fighting for women's/black's rights weren't expecting immediate change at the time? Just because it took that long in the past, doesn't mean we wouldn't like to speed up that process for the future.

Once you identify something as being wrong, it should not take 130 years, or 40 years, to fix it just because other things took that long. Do you wait 130 years to change a flat tire?

Here in New Zealand, we have not gone as far as granting homosexual marriage, but it is possible to have a "Civil Union" which has the exact same legal standing as a marriage and differs only in that when you start talking about same sex "marriage" you upset all the religious nuts. Which in itself is rather odd, considering we don't take religion very seriously down here. In the last census, a sufficient portion of New Zealanders wrote in "Jedi" as their religion to qualify it as a state-recognised religion, if it in fact existed.

But I digress. Religious nuts get all bent out of shape when you tell them which parts of their holy books are valid and which aren't. They reckon that's for them to decide, not the government. The fact that most of the things God once said were no-nos have since been okayed is conveniently ignored. You can actually order a cheeseburger on the sabbath without immediately exploding into flame, believe it or not.

And, to bring it back on topic, you can have fries with that.

We aren't talking about a flat tire. We're talking about how people are perceived, which is an entirely different beast.

You can force change on people, sure. But that never works in the long run - all it does is breed resentment and hatred. What you have to do is to educate people and let them change on their own, at their own pace. That takes time and patience. Just because we've grown used to having things exactly when and how we want them doesn't mean that everything is going to be available exactly when we want it, or even how we want it.

We're talking about the right of people who love eachother to make a lifelong committment acknowledged by the state. I don't give a rat's ass how long rednecks and fanatics are going to be butthurt over it. Every moment that two people can't enjoy what my wife and I have is a moment too long.

I don't care what Jethro thinks about it. If he's against gay marriage then he should marry a chick.

Dan Cathy wrote:“very much supportive of the family - the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.”

I really have trouble understanding how anyone, that isn't completely ignorant, can try to justify this kind of thinking. Not only is he attacking the rights of two people to love each other but suggesting divorce and single mothers are somehow evil. It's harder to read this as anything other than hatred. Society changes but these people just keep on living with their heads buried in the sand, and even donate money to groups that keep piling that sand on.

Koatanga wrote:Once you identify something as being wrong, it should not take 130 years, or 40 years, to fix it just because other things took that long. Do you wait 130 years to change a flat tire?

This. And in this day and age with how quickly we can share information the process shouldn't take as long. The Civil rights movement didn't take 130 years, the persecution of african americans lasted that long, longer actually, in the US but the civil rights movement didn't. The persecution of people who are LGBT has been going on in this country just as long. It seems completely reasonable that there has been enough patience and things need to start changing, and they have, it's just people like Dan Cathy and poptart that are keeping the federal government where it's at.

Let them continue to be prejudiced against LGBT just as people continue to be racist but that shouldn't be keeping the federal government from granting basic rights that every other person enjoys.

Regarding rate of change look at all the progress that has been made in the UK since the turn of the millennium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_right ... mary_table

Soon we will have same sex marriage too (commons vote coming soon). To put things into perspective, the conservative party and the editor of the biggest conservative blog site in the UK now support it. This was *unthinkable* 10 years ago. The only holdouts are religious loonies, angry at their increasing irrelevance and dwindling influence over politics.

Generally people are won over when same sex adoption, civil unions etc. become legal as it normalises LGBT people. With each little step in law, acceptance goes up and homophobia becomes less and less acceptable. Some people will take their prejudices to the grave with them and there is nothing you can do for such people and as such they are not worth worrying about. They are not a good reason to delay equal rights.

I don't really expect to see gay marriage legalized in Russia within my lifetime.