LFR/Flex and heroic raiders

theckhd wrote:

halabar wrote:So, the addon would compare damage taken vs damage dealt, plus factor in the increase in boss health and damage done.

If I knew how to write it... (should also be written to judge healers as well).

I don't even think damage taken is necessary. Just (damage dealt) - (increase in boss health), normalized somehow. Probably

(damage dealt)/(encounter time)*(expected encounter length) - (increase in boss health).

Expected encounter length determined by a simple TTD measure (Boss Health / Raid DPS). Negative score means you're a liability.

No, I'd want to factor in damage taken as well. When considering "pugs" from my excessively large guild, I'd want to also know if they were standing in the poo, not bothering to move. Are they sucking up too much healing compared to the dps they contribute? I'd be more forgiving of a lower dps that isn't draining the healers dry (and this goes to counterbalance the impact of non-optimal fights).

Sabindeus wrote:Of course I remember the GearScore days, but in those days I was in a guild and didn't have to PUG things...

SO basically what you're saying is I should unleash this add-on on an unsuspecting world and watch it crumble? >:D

Yes, yes you should...

Klaudandus wrote:Sounds a lot like Wins Above Replacement. Wonder if there could be an addon that could calculate it.

I mean, I know there's already a TDD addon, I love using it.

Yep. KAR. (Kills above Replacement).

halabar wrote:

Klaudandus wrote:Sounds a lot like Wins Above Replacement. Wonder if there could be an addon that could calculate it.

I mean, I know there's already a TDD addon, I love using it.

Yep. KAR. (Kills above Replacement).

Well, considering all the theorycraft going into the game, I think it's time we graduate into fullblown sabermetrics. =P

Does that mean that Theck gets to be played by Brad Pitt if they ever make a movie about paladin theorycrafting?

halabar wrote:No, I'd want to factor in damage taken as well. When considering "pugs" from my excessively large guild, I'd want to also know if they were standing in the poo, not bothering to move. Are they sucking up too much healing compared to the dps they contribute? I'd be more forgiving of a lower dps that isn't draining the healers dry (and this goes to counterbalance the impact of non-optimal fights).

That would be somewhat punishing for randomly-targeted damage mechanics though. Doubly so in many cases, because those mechanics often require that you move away, reducing your DPS.

Plus, you can get that information from a simple Damage Taken meter, which is already built into Recount/Skada/etc.

Friendly fire is another metric that could be worth including though. Ionization from heroic Jin'rokh comes to mind...

Klaudandus wrote:Does that mean that Theck gets to be played by Brad Pitt if they ever make a movie about paladin theorycrafting?

Jeff Goldblum IMO. I was unreasonably influenced by Jurassic Park as a child. Also, he's from Pittsburgh, which is the wrong end of the state, but at least the right ballpark.

But seriously, sabermetrics are used to quantify player production and contribution to a team, so I don't see it far away where that can be done for raiding, its just a matter of someone actually do an addon based on the formulas.

There's loads of people demanding 520+ for HC Scenario as well. As long as people can set requirements, they will.

I've seen people geared in 520+ do terrible. A KAR type metric might be better to quantify how good a player is.

i miss an old recound's plug which displayed ilv (i don't think it was gearscore): i used it a lot to compare dps ranking vs ilv ranking
i would really enjoy a better integration and have it in a single view

Is anybody burnt out yet then?

A metric for determining whether it's beneficial to remove a DPS would be reasonably effective, but I think the more interesting thing to try to determine is a metric to judge whether it's beneficial to add/remove a healer.

I'm almost burtn out, but thats due to RL commitments and not due to wow (whcih I haven't played since sunday, and won't be able to till at LEAST tonight)

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So, who do I see about reducing the amount of time I must invest in RL to get the rewards that should be mine? and how do I avoid having to do menial work (like cleaning) for the chance at lesser rewards (happy GF)?
(okay, lesser rewards may understating it, since a happy GF makes my life easier and.. happier?)

Who do I see to get the arbitrarily placed rewards like income and influence bettered for the investment I have= I mean I invest a LOT of my time into political stuff, I think I should recieve the reward of a happy GF just by doing that.


(The above is satire, glint in the ey and not seriously meatn at all)

Nooska wrote:I'm almost burtn out, but thats due to RL commitments and not due to wow (whcih I haven't played since sunday, and won't be able to till at LEAST tonight)

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So, who do I see about reducing the amount of time I must invest in RL to get the rewards that should be mine? and how do I avoid having to do menial work (like cleaning) for the chance at lesser rewards (happy GF)?
(okay, lesser rewards may understating it, since a happy GF makes my life easier and.. happier?)

Who do I see to get the arbitrarily placed rewards like income and influence bettered for the investment I have= I mean I invest a LOT of my time into political stuff, I think I should recieve the reward of a happy GF just by doing that.


(The above is satire, glint in the ey and not seriously meatn at all)

And thus the thread ends. (Other than the plugin development by Sab.)

Nooska wrote:I'm almost burtn out, but thats due to RL commitments and not due to wow (whcih I haven't played since sunday, and won't be able to till at LEAST tonight)

...

So, who do I see about reducing the amount of time I must invest in RL to get the rewards that should be mine? and how do I avoid having to do menial work (like cleaning) for the chance at lesser rewards (happy GF)?
(okay, lesser rewards may understating it, since a happy GF makes my life easier and.. happier?)

Who do I see to get the arbitrarily placed rewards like income and influence bettered for the investment I have= I mean I invest a LOT of my time into political stuff, I think I should recieve the reward of a happy GF just by doing that.


(The above is satire, glint in the ey and not seriously meatn at all)

/slowclap

Just to counteract what I said a bot - I do think the "free LFR roll on normal/heroic kill" is the best solution, and could live with it, despite the problems it might bring - I do remembe rthe burnout situation from last expansion - I just didn't do LFR on Mooska (who was my main at the time), except for the firts few weeks or to have fun in another spec.