OT: DKP Etiquette

What is the etiquette of discussion what you want to spend your DKP on.

Situation: Over time, I've become friends with a couple of the Warrior Tanks in our guild. We talk about drops we want and being tanks are generally after the same stuff. Is it consider poor practice to disucss things like how much DKP you will bid or what you will bid high on?
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In a free market/auction-style DKP system, yes it is, as it somewhat undermines the entire point of the system (having people spend as much as they feel the item is worth) and opens it up to abuse.

However... you can't really stop people from talking about what items they want, which is why free market/auction-style DKP systems are terrible.
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Our guild uses a web-based "dkp" system that's customised fully for the guild itself. We basically have a hidden score system that's based on multiple factors (raids/loot gotten/time since last loot/amount of loot gotten; to name a few). Lots of mathematics that my tiny little brain is unable to process, thankfully we've a couple of incredibley intelligent coders that take care of all that shabang.


I'm not entirely sure where I stand on discussing items and item prices. It's poor etiquette when you're talking about completely open systems and you end up pushing another person out of the item running. I'd guess I put it right up there with dkp-pushing in terms of dirty tactics.

However I don't think that if you're not affecting anyone and all party's involved agree that X person will get Y item for Z cost and it doesn't affect anybody else is wrong. It's just moving the item to the person who "deserves" it most. Just having more DKP doesn't automatically mean you're entitled to the item over another person, especially not if you're looking at helping your guild progress. Not that I agree with passing all gear to one person; having a MT get all the best items first doesn't help anybody in the long-run, not with the "lack" of gear requirements I can see in current TBC content.

I think what he was getting at was something like this:

Person A checks the loot tables and see's that he's on top of Item A AND Item B. Now Item A only has one other person who wants it, while Item B has plenty of other people.

If Person A can convince the other person who wants Item A to let him get the item so cheap that he can "buy" Item B aswell if it drops he can get two items and thus con whoever else wanted Item B.

Obviously this Person B can screw Person A over and bid highly, but as with anything, its a risky business.


These sorts of issues are why I dislike open DKP systems. Before you say "officers will notice!", It's not always that easy to see who's abusing the system.

DKP open bid systems are very open to collusion (which is why I don't like them). The most common scenario is that members of one class (or item group) agree to bid low on certain items, thus giving them more bidding power on cross-class items relative to everyone else. In my view, any communication about your bidding intentions with anyone except the person accepting the bids is inappropriate in an open bid DKP system.

The "D" in DKP stands for "Drama."

Basically, the more friendly you are with people with people who will be bidding on the stuff you want, the better off you are.
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My guild uses a simple tier-roll system...
If it's a direct upgrade for you, you gain priority 1
If it's indirect(healing leather for a shaman), you gain priority 2
If you don't benefit from it at all(Sun Eater for your warlock so he can enchant it with Beastslaying to make warriors cry), you gain priority 3
Based on being a guild member or a trial/outsider, you'll gain a small(-5) penalty on your roll.


Only top priority rolls. If no one in 1 wants the item, 2 can roll, and if there's no 2, 3 can roll. If you have looted a T1 item on this week and instance, you're not allowed T1 rolls for the rest of the week and instance, unless no other T1 wants it.

Token items are rolled freely by all eliglible members that don't have the Token yet, separate from normal looting.


Really? No one complained so far..worked smoothly.
As my love Invisusira said..DKP stands for "Drama" Kings' Pranks
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The tanks, and off tanks, in my guild pass items to eachother on a regular basis. We're a very friendly guild with little to no drama so it works out fine for us.

The way we do bids is everyone pass at first (ffa loot) and the persons who wants to bid say "me" in /ra. After this they send their bids to one of the raidleaders in /w. You pay what you bid, no next highest +1.

eqDKP is used for keeping track of dkp.
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When I raided in EQ we used a dkp system, and it can lead to some issues, in regards to people "abusing" the system.

For example.

Say you were on a boss that only dropped mage useable items, and had 3 mages in the raid, classified as 1,2,3. The mages make their own "mage" chat channel. Mage 1 says " ok, I know 2 really needs the robe from xxxx, so lets let hime take it for min dkp, then 3 gets a turn, then me." Say the minimum bid is 10 dkp. When normally there would be a "bid war" going up to 100 dkp, it is now 10. So the next time a caster ring drops, 2 of the three mages have their normal dkp, while mage 2 has 90 extra to bid on.

Now, the problem with that example is that it's assuming that all raiders only think of themselves not the raid as a whole. Most good raiding guilds that I know of realize that the raid as a whole is better than each person, so that if uber ring drops and is better for their main tank, the others will bow out so he can get it.

I am a fan of dkp, but the thing is, it can always be manipulated. I was in a guild that used a modified dkp system, where all loot was assigned a value. If I bid on that item, if I had the most dkp it was mine, and the value of the item, in dkp, was deducted from my total. So if we had downed a guild first, the items would be high in value, thus giving a fair chance for all loot for everyone.
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