heroic instance evaluation : are you ready?

because all Heroic don't have the same difficulty, i'm thinking that collecting a database about minimual gear needed could be useful for all of them (at least all the early 80 ). so here my contribution to this very valuable forum

i assume everyone has the mod "tankpoint" and is able to give his tankpoint (TP)and EffectiveHealth (EH) stats. (i guess it is better to give stats without any buff except self).

i will try to keep updated this post with all your datas : what will make valuable is your informations. no data, no follow up so if you think this post will help you or help other, please share
how to contribute efficienly : post name of the instance, your TP&EH stat, and the category of difficulty (see below definition)

exemple : i ran utgarde without trouble with poor gear tankpoint around 80.000 pts and EH around 45.000 (fresh 80 from this sunday : still 2 pieces from KZ, still 2 greens, no enchant at all...so still "hitable/criticable")


** i allow any moderators to edit/cut&past as they prefer **



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Borean Tundra
*The Nexus:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*The Oculus:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Grizzly Hills
*Drak'Theron Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Storm Peaks
*Halls of Lightning:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Halls of Stone:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Howling Fjord
*Utgarde Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it : TP=80.000 / EH=48.000
easy mode :

*Utgarde Pinnacle:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Zul'drak
*Gundrak:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Dragonblight:
*Azjol'Nerub:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Ahnkahet, The Old Kingdom:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Tanaris
*COT: Stratholme:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Dalaran
*Violet Hold:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


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my classification :
forget it : unless hours of wipe don't afraid anyone in your group (well, u went there, made a few try on first mobs/boss and then come back to the bar)

hard as hell : it's gonna be rude, some wipe on big mob or boss, but the team is well skilled and/or your healeur&dps outgear you and can compensate enought to finish the instance(ie if your fellows are not that much geared/skilled --> forget this instance for the moment)

u can do it : average stuff, if you play correct and your fellow have same skill/gear, it's gonna be alright

easy mode : well, you all outgear/outskill the instance, you can pull double-pack, semi-afk don't cause wipe, u can go there even with a fresh healeur

I'm going to let this gather some feed back before I decide to banish to the 5 man forum or merge it with the current sticky. Looking forward to seeing what this brings.

EDIT: This isn't my forum and this certainly doesn't belong in the gear guide forum.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

Get 540 defense, a smart healer, and chain pull all but probably 2 instances.

Occulus because of its strange makeup, basically doesn't require so much in the way of gear as it does coordination. You can do the final boss naked (and I suggest you do) as the dragon is what you use, not your own gear levels.

If you didn't know either, you can get your dragons buffed. I had earth shield, kings and GoTW on mine when I was tanking, we kinda laughed about it, once you dismount it loses its buff, but for the boss it doesn't hurt to have a bit extra.
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Tempered saronite set with the daunting hands and legs.
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Majiben
If we wanted Ret to be a joke, we would have just left the tree as it was, and maybe kicked it a little for good measure. -GC

I had 541 defense, ~20k unbuffed armor and HP. Did heroic stratholme with no CC and 1.4k +heal druid was constantly complaining me taking too much damage (up to 2.5k unblocked hits from trash). Wiped twice on trash (damn dragons) but finished the run. No idea if it was my or healer fault. I'd rank it between "you can do it" and "hard as hell" leaning more towards the first. Will try to make another run with guildies to get better feedback.

hoho, that's roughly where I'm sitting gear-wise too, and the runs are varying from place to place (with the same healer). Heroic Drak'theron is fine, didn't even have troubles on the raptor boss, but VH has been a little bit painful depending on what bosses are up. Although getting the arakkoa boss and not knowing the strat for that didn't help...

The Nexus is also absolutely fine at that gear level, and shouldn't be too much trouble if you know the place.

Hoping to get to gauge the difficulty of some others this week, although slightly discouraged at wiping more than once in VH having cleared it easily on heroic just the other night...will put it down to a bad day

My feedback, I've collected over 250 Emblems of Heroism running these constantly for the last 2 weeks while waiting for more 80's to hit up Naxx-25 with in the guild.

Borean Tundra
*The Nexus:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode : All Bosses can be zerged, good times.

*The Oculus:
forget it :
hard as hell : Difficult until you get dragon flying down, ring boss sucks.
u can do it :
easy mode :


Grizzly Hills
*Drak'Theron Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode : All bosses can be zerged, I thought the last boss was a named mob.

Storm Peaks
*Halls of Lightning:
forget it : Unless your group knows how to interrupt whirlwinds run away asap from Lightning Nova and has about 2000 DPS while running, avoid it.
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Halls of Stone:
forget it :
hard as hell : First encounter is difficult for any group besides 3 warlocks, the rest is ok.. but be prepared for wipes on the first encounter.
u can do it :
easy mode :


Howling Fjord
*Utgarde Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode : No problems.

*Utgarde Pinnacle:
forget it : Third boss will kill a group who doesn't know how to position quickly, or lags.
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Zul'drak
*Gundrak:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode : No problems here, tank and spank


Dragonblight:
*Azjol'Nerub:
forget it :
hard as hell : This is difficult due to the pace of movement, have a good healer and you're fine.
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Ahnkahet, The Old Kingdom:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it : No major issues, Insanity debuff on the last boss is difficult for a low DPS group... or with a Druid healer (Nourish is OP'd)
easy mode :


Tanaris
*COT: Stratholme:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it : No major issues, move to hardmode if attempting the 25 minute timer... you need to clear the first 10 waves in 7 minutes or less to even attempt to hit it.
easy mode :

Dalaran
*Violet Hold:
forget it : If you have bad DPS and can't keep up with the portals, or a healer who dies.
hard as hell : If you get both the ethereal boss and the voidwalker boss
u can do it : If you get either the ethereal boss or the voidwalker boss
easy mode : If you don't get the ethereal boss or the voidwalker boss
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Just Started Heroics the other day, still using the SSC crafted tank belt *shake fist at occulus* and a JC tank trinket. Everything else is a crafted/rep/whatever blue. commenting on the ones I've done.

Borean Tundra
*The Nexus:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*The Oculus:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Grizzly Hills
*Drak'Theron Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Storm Peaks
*Halls of Lightning:
forget it :
hard as hell : Without a strong AoE healer this would be brutal.
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Halls of Stone:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Howling Fjord
*Utgarde Keep:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it : "Don't stand in stuff and hit it in the face until it dies," will quickly move to easy mode after you get some gear.
easy mode :

*Utgarde Pinnacle:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Zul'drak
*Gundrak:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Dragonblight:
*Azjol'Nerub:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

*Ahnkahet, The Old Kingdom:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :


Tanaris
*COT: Stratholme:
forget it :
hard as hell :
u can do it :
easy mode :

Dalaran
*Violet Hold:
forget it :
hard as hell : Ethereal Boss FTL, just kite him in a big circle and its manageable, see the wowwiki entry for a complete strat.
u can do it :
easy mode :

Just send this my way, Barathorn... I'm going to rip its spelling apart.
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Póg mo thóin

Entry level:
Drak'theron
Nexus

Entry level by virtue of boss knowledge:
Utgarde Keep
Violet Hold
CoT: Stratholme Untimed

Most significant thing to remember:
Raise wyrmrest accord reputation, then Kirin Tor for gloves. Argent Crusade can be pushed to revered for the enchant through a day of questing if you reset the Troll Patrol quest after doing the top right one (250 rep) which resets all subsequent dailies. Not to mention 250 for Troll Patrol, 350 for timely finishes, and 250 for the Icecrown daily.

Wyrmrest can also be pushed to revered quickly through the 250 wyrmrest temple daily, 250 drake spearing in coldarra, and 350 drake fighting unlocked at 80 in coldarra. However, it also has the most rewards.

I would recommend running Gun'drak and violet hold the most. They are the only non-rep/bs way of getting good shoulders and pants.