librams, LOO for trash, SS for bosses?

i was hoping to be able to /delete the LOO libram, but idk, am i the only one that slacks off on holy shield while tanking trash and picking up adds? or is LOO for trash the way to go and SS for bosses? oh wells

... Holy Shield is better against trash and adds than against bosses

Holy shield should always be up, especially when tanking multiple mobs.
If your tanking 500 mobs, the only spells even damaging more than one would be consecration, hammer, and holy shield, and unglyphed avenger shield. Holy shield will hit 8targets, making it not only best for mitigation, but also 2nd best for aoethreat. Sure, its no snap threat for picking up mobs but its the only threat+mitigation we got, so we want to use it.
And the librams depends a lot of how many adds your tanking and in what gear you are in.
If your tanking 50mobs the HS libram will fall off a sec after you used it, thus LoO is much better since it provides more BV for every block durin a specific time.
Depending a bit on how many and how fast they hit and what gear you are in, the SS libram will be a bit better for multiple adds.
If your gear gives low avoidance but shitloads of block (Blockgear) the SS libram would prolly fall of pretty fast since youll be blocking more than avoiding, 3 targets shouldnt run down your holy shield tho, so id use the SS libram.
If your in "MT" gear, usually offers more avoidance and less block, you could prolly tank 4mobs without it going off.
But for bosses LoO cant rly compete with the SS libram imo.

No. Keep LoO. The issue isn't that you're necessarily lazy on adds, but rather even when you AREN'T lazy.

Libram of the Sacred Shield falls off when Holy Shield does. On a boss, this is almost always never going to be an issue. Trash/Adds, however, are different. If you're tanking enough of them, Holy Shield is liable to fall off in less than five seconds (the amount of time the LoO buff is up for) depending on your avoidance and pre-existing block chance (read: not the 30% granted by HS). If it is likely or possible for it to do so, then LoO is the better mitigation choice. The number of mobs required for this of course varies based on your stats and whatnot, but there is a point where LoO is better.

For bosses, though, LoSS for SURE.

I can't find the thread but isn't their a libram swaping macro, like to switch librams just before HS and just before Judgment?

/cast Holy Shield
/equip Libram of Obstruction

/cast Judgement
/equip Libram of the Sacred Shield

what if your used to spamming your buttons then?
Is it possible to do a "if judgement then libram" but then again, that would make the libram change after the judgement.
Also, does that macro work instantly, that is does it rly swapp the exact same time as the spell, so you dont cuase an delay on the GCD??

Changing librams during a fight would be really fun.

If this can be done I am setting it up. I can see it being used for concencrate libram, holy light variations ect.

For some reaosn I find it hard to belive you can change anything but weapon, shield and... ranged weapon slot?

I gusse I just never tried or thought about it.

There's already a discussion about that. Try viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23992

LotSS buff stays active even if Holy Shield falls off (cast it then click off holy shield).

Treck wrote:what if your used to spamming your buttons then?
Is it possible to do a "if judgement then libram" but then again, that would make the libram change after the judgement.
Also, does that macro work instantly, that is does it rly swapp the exact same time as the spell, so you dont cuase an delay on the GCD??

If you're talking about including a conditional statement in the macro so that you can spam the macro and it will only equip the libram if judgement actually goes off then that is no longer possible. (Although you might be able to do it via a castsequence macro)

Since the swap occurs after you cast judgement there will be no additional GCD on the swap, but it will reset your swing timer.

sarutobi wrote:If you're talking about including a conditional statement in the macro so that you can spam the macro and it will only equip the libram if judgement actually goes off then that is no longer possible.

This is possible and I posted how to do it in the advanced training thread linked by Vedge.