Any thoughts on nightbane? Going for him this week.
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DracAlexstrasza
Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:29 pm
Nightbane...
Lore
Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:56 am
If you're Alliance and have a Draenei/Dwarf Priest handy, a Paladin should be able to tank him fine. However, note that it's really easy for a Paladin tank to pick up adds when he takes off (Holy Wrath for the win) and AOE tank them, so you may want to have your Pally tank on them and another tank on Nightbane.
Us Hordies are SOL, gg fear ward =(
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Us Hordies are SOL, gg fear ward =(
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Lore
Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:42 am
Nah he's just rinse and repeat the whole way through, if you can get him through 1 transition you can kill him.
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Yeah, I was on both nightbane and the adds. I was actually having a harder time collecting the adds than nightbane... FF was sloppy and everyone seemed to be dpsing down their own skele. That's something we need to work on, but still were able to kill him when a warlock and holy pally died at 50%.
For nightbane himself, demo shout from a warrior buddy and a stoneshield potion made a huge difference in his regular attacks, from 4.5k per hit to 2.5k - 3k. Before trying these buffs, Healers were having a tough time with the smoldering breath ticking for 1.5k and the 4.5k hits plus cleaves.
Also, tremor totems for horde are "close" to fear ward. We have a shaman with us and on the first attempt our dwarf priest went down at 80% ( not moving FTL ). We were able to get him through the next phase of flying and another 10% after landing with only the totems. If we had the healer back, would probably be doable. For the totems to work, everyone but the MT and melee needs to be at max range ( though, they should be anyway no? ). By the time the totem breaks fear, he shouldn't have had time to hit anyone else, from what I saw. But maybe we got lucky?
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For nightbane himself, demo shout from a warrior buddy and a stoneshield potion made a huge difference in his regular attacks, from 4.5k per hit to 2.5k - 3k. Before trying these buffs, Healers were having a tough time with the smoldering breath ticking for 1.5k and the 4.5k hits plus cleaves.
Also, tremor totems for horde are "close" to fear ward. We have a shaman with us and on the first attempt our dwarf priest went down at 80% ( not moving FTL ). We were able to get him through the next phase of flying and another 10% after landing with only the totems. If we had the healer back, would probably be doable. For the totems to work, everyone but the MT and melee needs to be at max range ( though, they should be anyway no? ). By the time the totem breaks fear, he shouldn't have had time to hit anyone else, from what I saw. But maybe we got lucky?
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Lore
Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:22 am
Heh, no. Nightbane moves FAST, and even if he doesn't make it to whoever he's after, he can still stop and breathe on the raid while he's not on the tank. Even in an optimal situation, he has to be repositioned, which causes a whole ton of extra mayhem because of the charred earth. We've had hunters standing at max range DPS'ing, even when the warrior gets into stance and breaks the fear the second he can, he'll usually kill the hunter. Best case scenario, the hunter dodges or feigns... but it doesn't do any good, because now he's standing in the raid while the tank is running back across the balcony to pick him up again.
You have slightly under 1 second to break the fear before Nightbane runs off after someone. Tremor ticks every 5 seconds. If the tank gets feared and tremor ticks immediately, cool, that works fine. If the tank gets feared and tremor JUST ticked, you wipe.
Tremor Totems are great for breaking fears early for healers, but they're simply not an effective fear immunity for the MT. I remember Nef kills where we had 3 tremors down in the MT group and he'd still kill 3-4 people before the tank could get him back.
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You have slightly under 1 second to break the fear before Nightbane runs off after someone. Tremor ticks every 5 seconds. If the tank gets feared and tremor ticks immediately, cool, that works fine. If the tank gets feared and tremor JUST ticked, you wipe.
Tremor Totems are great for breaking fears early for healers, but they're simply not an effective fear immunity for the MT. I remember Nef kills where we had 3 tremors down in the MT group and he'd still kill 3-4 people before the tank could get him back.
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DracAlexstrasza
Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:46 pm
Well, nightbane went down easy. ^_^
Felt nice, especially considering we are the second guild on our server to down him. Go go pally tank. hehe
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Felt nice, especially considering we are the second guild on our server to down him. Go go pally tank. hehe
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Lore
Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:07 pm
Kathryn
Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:45 am
OK ther eis something i don't get with phase 2, we get Him down to 60% roughly everytime. But Phase 2 i dont think we are graspign it right rigth now... the only issue we see is everyone takign a LIP. >.<
Lore
Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:55 am
Phase 2 works like this:
When he's about to switch, stop heals on everyone except the MT. When he takes off, you have a Holy Paladin with Righteous Fury up (a Shaman is also manageable) spam heals on anything they can find - have a Warlock life tap if there's nothing for him to heal. He'll get aggro from Nightbane and start eating the smoking breaths. They're physical damage, so the extra armor makes keeping him up fairly simple. Then, any tanks you have round up the adds and they get DPS'ed down. It's okay if there's still a couple up when Nightbane lands, so long as they're not on the MT. Once all the adds are dead, DPS goes back to Nightbane.
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When he's about to switch, stop heals on everyone except the MT. When he takes off, you have a Holy Paladin with Righteous Fury up (a Shaman is also manageable) spam heals on anything they can find - have a Warlock life tap if there's nothing for him to heal. He'll get aggro from Nightbane and start eating the smoking breaths. They're physical damage, so the extra armor makes keeping him up fairly simple. Then, any tanks you have round up the adds and they get DPS'ed down. It's okay if there's still a couple up when Nightbane lands, so long as they're not on the MT. Once all the adds are dead, DPS goes back to Nightbane.
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Kel'Tiras
Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:55 am
As a tanking paladin I get invited to every Nightbane kills now since I showed my guild how easy we can make Air phases. Warrior main tanks Nightbane while I judge/seal wisdom and spam Exorcism all fight long. Having a protection paladin makes the ground phases a bit longer than if you had a DPS to fill the spot, but (for us at least) it makes the Air phases so much easier that we find it worth it.
If you are a horde paladin forget about tanking Nightbane since warriors are much more effective, but that does not mean we are useless on the fight.
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If you are a horde paladin forget about tanking Nightbane since warriors are much more effective, but that does not mean we are useless on the fight.
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Daystar
Sat May 05, 2007 8:48 am
Although my guild has not yet actually downed Nightbane, I tank him with two tremor totems placed so they roughly give me a tic every 2.5 seconds. Once I'm feared I spam the exorcism key and Nightbane is back on me as fast as any warrior breaking the fear. I've never had a raid member die due to Nightbane killing them while I was feared.
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Trevize
Fri May 11, 2007 2:40 am
I tanked Nightbane for the first time last night. We lost 3 dps'ers in the first transition and we were light on dps to begin with. So a 22 minute Nightbane kill ensued.
It was kind of humorous forthe next 2 air-land transitions. I was tanking 3-4 skele's and nightbane at the same time because it took so long for our dps to take them down. Thats what I get for stacking a raid full of people who need the attunement and going light on dps. /shrug.
It was kind of humorous forthe next 2 air-land transitions. I was tanking 3-4 skele's and nightbane at the same time because it took so long for our dps to take them down. Thats what I get for stacking a raid full of people who need the attunement and going light on dps. /shrug.
Aromas
Tue May 15, 2007 8:04 am
I've both MTed and OTed Nightbane, and although a warrior is prefered for MTing, him and OTing is easy on us, It's still possible to MT without loosing people!
Our guild currently does not have any raiding priest with Fear Ward, so I had to improvise.
Tremor Totem will go a long way, but you can't rely on it. The best thing to do is buy the epic PvP trinket, (2 min cooldown), Make macros for Shields to cast and cancel right away, and rotate them, starting with DS, since it has the longest cooldown. This will give you several fear breaks, that will always have one up for a fear, since you'll get some cooldown relief from the Air Phase.
Now go tank him, and get some epic lewtz!
Our guild currently does not have any raiding priest with Fear Ward, so I had to improvise.
Tremor Totem will go a long way, but you can't rely on it. The best thing to do is buy the epic PvP trinket, (2 min cooldown), Make macros for Shields to cast and cancel right away, and rotate them, starting with DS, since it has the longest cooldown. This will give you several fear breaks, that will always have one up for a fear, since you'll get some cooldown relief from the Air Phase.
Now go tank him, and get some epic lewtz!