At old school raiders

With much of the BC content finished, or not worth starting at this point in the game(SWP) much of our guild is running some of the retro raids for achievements. Saturday night saw us knocking over AQ20 and then venturing into AQ40.

Although most of AQ20 could just be brute forced AQ40 actually required some strategy. We made it all the way to Twin Emperors before a couple of wipes saw people dropping out and needing to go to bed. I intend to assemble a raid to do the twins and C'thun before reset on Tuesday.

I have an idea of the basic strats, just wondering if anyone has any tips they could offer on completing these events.

MC can be entirely brute-forced. You just need 8 people with water to put out the runes.

BWL can be brute-forced other than the fact the tanks need Onyxia scale cloaks from about half way, and lots of people need them for Nef.

AQ-20 and ZG can be brute forced, or cleared normally by 3-5 people.

AQ-40 only requires a brain for Twins & C'thun. Before that, it's zergable. Viscidus needs a LOT of frost damage, otherwise easy.

bosskillers or wowwiki will have Twins/C'thun strats. Twins is the hard encounter. No amount of force will allow you to beat the encounter without four decent tanks - two caster/two physical.

C'thun amounts to:
• Run into the room all at once and spread out.
• Kill tentacles
• Don't stand in the red beam.

IE: There's a dead basic idiot check, then brute force him. Note that 20+ people dying to red beam is not likely to wipe you, he's probably doable with about 10 people.
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Knaughty
Naxx-25 15/15 pre-buff

Any reason that it has to be a lock tank for the caster boss? Is it possible to use a frost mage (no dot) or a hunter, or an ele shaman for that reason.

I watched one video where the tank simply backed out of the arcane blast range when the caster boss teleported and ate the casts from a distance then ran back in for the melee boss and taunted then backed out again when the caster appeared.

I assume the reason for SoR rather than SoV is so no DoTs are left on during the agro wipe?

I understand that the twins share the damage dealt. Is it best to split DPS across the room and have them focus on melee boss when he is on their side, or have DPS run back and forth across the room chasing the melee boss?

Thanks again

Do you know how long it takes before they reset after a wipe? We were waiting around for 20 minutes; bastards still didn´t come back. Slightly annoying :|

Two tips/clarifications from my recent experience.

I don't claim to know what was going on at twin emporers when I ran through AQ40 with a pug the other week. However we used 2 tanks (a warrior and me) for the encounter. I took one platform, he took the other and we tanked whichever was infront of us at the time. Those shadowbolts hurt but if you've got a decent sized raid then it's not hard to heal through. Though the knockback and slow is rather annoying :S
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Gwayne
<CTSamurai>
Neptulon-EU

You can brute force twins healing eachother with a 40-man raid of 70s. But the folks that have the DPS to pull it off probably know how to do it the right way.

The reason you don't want a paladin tanking the caster twin is that he will explode+knockback+snare anyone in melee range. Since your casters will absolutely be nuking without prejudice and not waiting for you to get lousy amounts of aggro, you won't be tanking him long. Any other melee tank won't be able to hold aggro at all since he's still immune to physical damage last I checked.

Back in the day many guilds simply used a warrior on either side. This was made possible by the way each Twin would give the nearest person a large amount of threat, making it possible for healers not to pull. This bonus threat feature was (accidentally?) removed at some point around the 2.0 patch which seriously broke the teleport spell. They were eventually fixed to be killable again but the threat was never re-added, making clean kills nearly impossible due to Hydross-style threat sensitivity with a bunch of PuGs.

Thus the common result is:
Pull goes okay. Each tank has aggro.
Teleport. Melee twin runs off towards other tank because of a late DoT or something. Caster twin nukes random people and eventually settles on one person who was probably not the planned tank. Melee tank has control by now, possibly after wrestling him across the room just in time for the next teleport.
And so on.
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good luck tanking that melee twin..