ShoR testing on the PTR

Minarva wrote:Then dont wear block value gear like everyone else isn't. I sit at around 1.2k unbuffed BV, and I'm nearly in total BiS hardmode gear from 25 man, the only gear that has BV on for me are my tier gloves.
This is not a nerf for me YET because I simply don't hit that high, however it is an extremly retarded change. This makes it along with shield slam the only damaging ability to have dimishing returns - and yet we are not damage classes (it makes me wonder why dimishing returns was not added to DKs Frost strike when it was destroying the arena, or any other PvP destroying ability). It seems counter intuitive to buff block value to the point it was -ok- to have on your gear, and then nerf it so that in any real amounts it is only a mitigation stat - and an extremly poor one at that.
Another point to consider is how this will change in future content. I would imagine even if you TRIED to not get BV in T9 you would end up with a crapton of it, and heaven forbid level 90. There needs to be some sort of scaling based on itemlevel or something...don't know but it does just make the whole stat suck even more than it does now (to be honest).

Personally I hope this is just a PTR thing, because otherwise it shows how little foresight Blizzard seem to have with their own changes, and frankly seems very unproffesional (particularly if you track the changes to shield slam). Band aids to fix a band aid...no thanks.

kanst wrote:To me this just seems like a dumb fix to something some people complain about. I dont really see prot pallies in arena as that huge of a deal, its not like they are overrunning brackets. I think they could have fixed this without screwing out threat scaling.

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:Effectively, this has nerfed paladin threat fairly hard.

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:Redoubt now has much less value as a THREAT talent as its benefit drops as we get more block gear switching from a combined threat/mitigation talent to strictly a mitigation talent

Venoseth wrote:

kanst wrote:To me this just seems like a dumb fix to something some people complain about. I dont really see prot pallies in arena as that huge of a deal, its not like they are overrunning brackets. I think they could have fixed this without screwing out threat scaling.

I agree that this reduces our damage. If they were going to do this, why didn't they temp-fix Redoubt to provide 100/200/300% bonus BV from gear since we'll all be "threat/damage capped" on it anyway, and at least BV would be a great mitigation tool? XD

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:Effectively, this has nerfed paladin threat fairly hard.

Paladin threat is OP ATM. I'm not saying this was the ideal way to fix it, but you're making it out like we won't be able to tank or something. As other people have said, threat's fine in low BV gear, and most hard-mode (what we could complain about it affecting) will be largely unaffected, unless we're all mistaken.

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:Redoubt now has much less value as a THREAT talent as its benefit drops as we get more block gear switching from a combined threat/mitigation talent to strictly a mitigation talent

I fixed it for TL;DR safety. Redoubt will still be an utterly unskipable talent. ^^

Majiben wrote:What? 0 mitigation from redoubt on boss fights? I suggest you read it again.

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:Not sure why you feel that Redoubt is still utterly unskippable. Extra mitigation provided by redoubt itself has always been relatively weak (zero in boss fights and only a couple of % in multi-mob fights).

With redoubt scaling your threat, by increasing BV, it was solid. If gear escalation allows us to reach the BV cap without the 30% magnifier, then redoubt becomes strictly a weak mitigation tool against mobs that we don't require the extra mitigation for.

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:On live, what gets us raid tanking spots is threat. Druids and DKs mitigate better, and are more optimal for hard mode fights. Warriors have more tools to play with.

Lore wrote:

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:On live, what gets us raid tanking spots is threat. Druids and DKs mitigate better, and are more optimal for hard mode fights. Warriors have more tools to play with.

What you're forgetting in this statement is that DK survivability (especially as Blood) and cooldowns have been given some pretty severe nerfs, Druid avoidance has been lowered relative to the other classes, and Warriors are receiving the exact same scaling nerf on Shield Slam that we're receiving on Shield of Righteousness. On top of that, we're gaining a fairly big EH increase through the new Ardent Defender (both as a function of the non-leapfroggable DR effect and the 30% self-heal).

This is why you can never look at single changes in a vacuum.

Also, if the only thing scoring you a raid invite is your threat output, you need to take a real serious look at how much you're bringing to the table as a raider.