New GC post about pally haste.

Anyone seen what proc chances they're planning?
Guess maybe half what they where, so 10% for CS/SotR and 15% for an avoided attack maybe?

They haven't said yet, they also said they were going to buff SoJ and SoR but didn't have numbers for ether. My guess is they don't even know what the numbers are yet for any of it, we still got aways to go in the beta so they have time to do some major tweeks still.

Is it just me or does half/half sounds worse than one or the other? The chance that we get procs from CS/HotR and from Dodge/Parry at the same time means we just wasted one proc. We already have that chance with just Dodge/Parry, but it seems more apparent now. The X's in our rotations are 3, 2, 3 and 1 GCD away from each other, and both 3's and the 2 have a CS/HotR in there that could cause a proc.

Well, we will get some procs when not tanking, which is something that has been brought forward.
In the same vein, we will lose a few procs when compare to either of the 'pure' solutions, because of the threat of double procs. So, what would happen is globally more procs than the "on avoidance" model, but less procs when we are actually tanking.

Seriously, though, something *will* have to give at one time or another. Because if we flip back to the "on attack" proc, Blizz will still be looking for another way to buff Avoidance. Right now, Grand Crusader looks like a reasonable and balanced solution. I'm not sure there are many other ways to make Avoidance attractive while keeping up balanced, unless we start toying with ShoR.

Indeed. I would've been quite ok with GC coming off avoidance on it's own. It's a nerf to our HP generation, sure, but it only hits the unreliable proc part, leaving our reliable generators (CS/HotR and Judgment) alone. Since we couldn't rely on the proc in the first place, we had to be able to survive without it in the first place.

It might overall be a slight nerf to damage output as well, but mostly when we're not the one actively tanking, in which case the lack of vengeance makes us hit as hard as a wet noodle anyhow.

I'd agree with that, depending on exact proc %'s I'm guessing this'll still be a small single target nerf but an aoe buff.
I'd be perfectly happy if they left things how they are, but they seem to be focused on making avoidance stronger for us and this seems to be the easiest way to do that and still leave haste as a viable gearing strategy.
In an ideal world they'd rebuild SotR and get haste mast and avoidance all balanced, it's just I have very little faith that they could manage that especially as getting haste and mast as close as they are seems to of happened by mistake

In an ideal world, they'd curb-stomp Sanctity of Battle to the ground and be done with the haste insanity we've been in. And THEN get back to making haste and maybe crit attractive to tanks in 6.0.

But since players are sissies that can't accept when the toy they dug out of the old cellar is taken from them, we'll have to live with it until 6.0.

Guess I'm a sissy then :p
I think Sanctity of Battle along with active mitigation is by far the best most fun thing they've ever added to the game, the more haste I get the faster the rotation gets, I can feel hero. Imo it's just all round awesome

Ho, don't get me wrong, I love it as well - enormously so. But it's not meant to be in the cards right now. Or at least, not to be the "king" behind the "ace" of Hit/Exp.

I really believe this experience will be an eye-opener, and that Blizz will try to push for DPS stats to matter for us tanks. But it's too late to make it happen in MoP.

Swing times:

ToES
Protector Kaolan: 2 seconds
Tsu-long: 1.5 seconds
Lei-Shi: does not melee, elemental looks like 1.5 seconds
Sha of Fear: looks like 2.5 seconds, outside of Thrash

MGV
Stone Guards: 2 seconds
Feng: 2 seconds
Garajal: 1.5 seconds
Spirit Kings: no melee/1.5 seconds
Elegon: 1.5 seconds
Will of the Emperor: 1.5 seconds

HoF
Zorlok: 2 seconds
Tayak: looks like 1.5 but he interrupts his melee so often it is hard to tell
garalon: no melee (N), 2 seconds (H only)
meljarak: 2 seconds
ambershaper: 1.5 seconds, monstrosity: 1.5 seconds
Grand Empress: 2 seconds

from our WoL (http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/78857/), heroic garalon was from the top ranked kill on WoL.
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