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Anyone else worried about the future

LPskater4886
Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:20 am

Anyone else worried about the future

I was thinking th other day that if tanking works the same as it has for most of wow we might end up with a serious problem.

As gear increases normally avoidance and HP does as well, the problem i see with this is the higher our avoidance gets the less threat we get from holy shield because we are blocking less.

also gearing as a MT for progression normally avoidance is a big thing when it comes to gear the problem with this is a lot of our single target threat comes from ShoR but its damage is based entirely on 400+BV and avoidance gear doesn't have BV.

while minor more avoidance means less reckoning uptime which also, while minor, reduces threat

so if we gear for BV for threat as well as BR for more HS threat we will be taking quite a bit more damage than our tanking counterparts.

i feel that the fact that we dont get extra threat from our white damage is going to become a problem. we are going to have to gear ourselfs to have less avoidance just to maintain enough threat in T9 content im thinking.

Right now threat is non issue for the most part, in ulduar it will probabaly get close and in icecrown it is probably going to be an issue. it just seems to me that our major threat determiner is reverse to how we want to gear for later content.

maybe somebody can shed some light on this for me and maybe im just not seeing the future correctly but i dont think the increase on Str on gear is gonna be anough to make up the threat we are gonna lose as we gain avoidance
Salamandra
Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:32 am
Our avoidance gear still has strength, which is the primary threat stat. Strength is likely to increase as gear improves.

Also, unless threat by casters increases a HUGE amount more than our threat increases, it's not going to be a problem for us. It might be a problem for other classes, but apart from on Malygos, even without JoL and a second ShoR, the threat gap between me and the dps is massive.
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LPskater4886
Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:41 am
well i normally pull around 5.5-6.5 ktps and there are a few dps in my guild that are close to riding my threat, granted we have some reallly good dps in my guild. there is this one mage that ugh, lets just say i have a salv macro just for him, we also have an affliction lock that is right up there i see it becoming a problem.
Dorvan
Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:34 am
The same thing happened in TBC, but it wasn't an issue because HS is actually pretty poor in terms of proportion of our threat and scaling factor. Basically, yes your HS threat may go down a bit, but it mostly likely won't matter because Holy Shield isn't primarily about threat anyway.
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fuzzygeek
Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:04 am
Our gear will likely scale with stam and str, both of which increase threat considerably.

Diminishing returns on avoidance and the designer's desire to not have people running around with ludicrous amounts of it again (so they don't have to do silly things like Sunwell Radiance) means there'll be more itemization points for stam and str.

So, no, I'm not terribly worried. As our gear improves, so will our dps and, ergo, threat. If it doesn't, they'll modify things, as they are moving away from threat management being a big part of the game.

Also, Holy Shield isn't very good for threat, so don't worry about it. Last Naxx my HS accounted for a whopping 6% of my damage done.
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Arcand
Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:17 am
We do get a boost on our white damage. Remember how they compensated for the loss of Salvation?
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LPskater4886
Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:02 am
yeah i know holy shield isnt much but it is some and like i said i dont see any avoidance gear with BV, more worried about ShoR. maybe im just worried for no reason.
Salamandra
Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:18 am
I do hope some gear in the future isn't so divided in it's applications. Right now there's way too many pieces of gear which ridiculously have the same strength as stamina and are all BR/BV. Nothing else has any block value. Right now I have lower block value than when I walked into Naxx, simply because the only things with block value are awful for other reasons.

Holy Shield isn't even as significant for threat as it was in TBC, and it wasn't very significant then. It's only particularly great on enemies who swing obscenely fast. Avoidance, due to diminishing returns, won't increase that much as you go up in tiers, either.
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LPskater4886
Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:26 am
idk about you guys but i have a set that raid buffedi am blkock cappedand i have very little BR and only bv from strength and shield, sounds nice when i got 29k unbuffed 30+% dodge and like 26%parry. and you know what my threat blows in that set compared to my normal set that has like 2-3 BR/BV pieces, i just see that avoidance set as how we are going to gear later and the threat it provides blows
LPskater4886
Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:37 am
yeah definatly WTB T8 with def/dodge/bv, maybe some br but i think the t7 has 2 much br
Wibu
Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:38 pm
Seems like you're all (ok, not all, but most) forgetting how much BV Str gives us these days.

From a quick calc ((1/2)*1.15)*1.3): 1 Str = 0.7475 BV after talents.